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ME 109 wrote:I can't remember the arguments about counter steering. But, ride one hand, push handle bars left to steer to the right.
Where's the argument in that?
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When I was young, I learned about in on my first motorcycle. I was on the road and needed to take off my right glove to get something, so I reached over and held the throttle with my left hand. It was really eye-opening as it completely clarified what I was really doing, but if you don't grasp it immediately, it's also a great way to dump the bike.

Major Softie wrote:

ME 109 wrote:I can't remember the arguments about counter steering. But, ride one hand, push handle bars left to steer to the right.
Where's the argument in that?
:

When I was young, I learned about in on my first motorcycle. I was on the road and needed to take off my right glove to get something, so I reached over and held the throttle with my left hand. It was really eye-opening as it completely clarified what I was really doing, but if you don't grasp it immediately, it's also a great way to dump the bike.

Riding hard in very tight mountain twisties demonstrates the effect of counter steering. It can require some considerable effort, particularly if the bike is heavily loaded.
Riding on less tight twisties with my left hand on the right bar adds to the fun! And proves how well the forks are aligned, and whether the steering head bearings are set correctly.

There is no thought behind it, a person does it automatically. If one has to think and do something, that person probably shouldn't be riding two wheels, after they pick themselves up.

Standard test is to ride with no hands on the bars on a long down hill. That will indicate a lot about the bikes setup. A good bike should be able to be steered with your thighs.

Zombie Master wrote: A good bike should be able to be steered with your thighs.

I can't sit on the handle bars because of the fairing.

ME 109 wrote:

Zombie Master wrote: A good bike should be able to be steered with your thighs.

I can't sit on the handle bars because of the fairing.

Splutter! Fekkin' brilliant!

Zombie Master wrote:Standard test is to ride with no hands on the bars on a long down hill. That will indicate a lot about the bikes setup. A good bike should be able to be steered with your thighs.

I once rode 37 miles on a highway just by body steering, no hands on the bars. This can only happen with neutral steering, of which BMW is well known.