Temptation

[Zombie Master]

Yeah, because that's how people react when they're called on something, nowadays. "So, what're you gonna do about it?"

I guess I'm relegated to not calling toasters toasters because I don't own firearms. Well, at least, I won't be able to say "Fuck Off" if challenged. So, I'll get it out of my system. Toaster. Toaster. Toaster. Hah!

Chuey

I'm very sorry Chuey, but there is no Toaster BMW. For there to be, there would have to be some feature other than a decorative tank cover to delineate it from other models. These are motorcycles designed for purpose, and performance, not festooned lifestyle accoutrements. Perhaps in your world, a chrome tank ornament has significance. Some folks, and fish, are attracted to shiny things.

[daz]

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Only because you have firearms. [/quote]

Yeah, because that's how people react when they're called on something, nowadays. "So, what're you gonna do about it?"

I guess I'm relegated to not calling toasters toasters because I don't own firearms. Well, at least, I won't be able to say "Fuck Off" if challenged. So, I'll get it out of my system. Toaster. Toaster. Toaster. Hah!

Chuey[/quote]

This is a huge country. What a diverse population! Common sense prevails in some places. There may be less common sense in the more populated areas. Just sayin'. I'm not calling you on this.

[khittner1]

I move that we return the discussion to the touring tank-equipped R75/6 . . .

[Major Softie]

I'm very sorry Chuey, but there is no Toaster BMW.

Absolutely right. Our language regarding vehicle models is entirely controlled and defined by manufacturers. We don't get to create our own language: that would be . . . well, far too democratic.

So, now that we have cleared that up, we know that there is no Toaster BMW, no Flying Brick, no Bugeye Sprite, no Deuce Coupe, no Ford Exploder, no Gixxer, no Ducs, no Ferrari Daytona, no Volkswagon Bug, no Volkswagon Bus, no Pontiac GOAT...

...and, most importantly: no Rubber Cow.

Thank goodness we have ZM here to do the hard work for our language, since we have no L'Academie Francaise like the French have to protect their language from the evilness of letting its speakers create and control it.

[Zombie Master]

I move that we return the discussion to the touring tank-equipped R75/6 . . .

Yes that would be more interesting.

[khittner1]

It's a '74, which limits it's appeal (1st semi-flakey yr. of 5-speed tranny, old /2 switchgear, 14mm axles, etc.). It's a $4500 bike, and not much more.

[Zombie Master]

I'm very sorry Chuey, but there is no Toaster BMW.

Absolutely right. Our language regarding vehicle models is entirely controlled and defined by manufacturers. We don't get to create our own language: that would be . . . well, far too democratic.

So, now that we have cleared that up, we know that there is no Toaster BMW, no Flying Brick, no Bugeye Sprite, no Deuce Coupe, no Ford Exploder, no Gixxer, no Ducs, no Ferrari Daytona, no Volkswagon Bug, no Volkswagon Bus, no Pontiac GOAT...

While I have little interest in autos, from your example, I do know that the Goat is a name givin' to the GTO which was a different specification than the standard car (Tempest?). Ducs to Ducatis as Beemers are to BMW. Bimmers are not motrocycles BTW. As a matter of fact, as best I can tell without exhaustive research, all of these titles of endearment refer to a specific vehicle, that is distinguished by some mechanical specification, where the fallacious Toaster is distinguished only by tank ornamentation that has somehow, due to ignorance IMNSHO, created a name for something that does not exist. So you are incorrect Softie.... Even created subculture language must actually mean something. The funny thing is, I just post my supposed vexation about this issue to ad color to our forum.

I have learned a few things from life, one thing is: arguments are never what they're about. But I'm not telling anybody to Fuck Off. That would be patently unfriendly.

[Zombie Master]

It's a '74, which limits it's appeal (1st semi-flakey yr. of 5-speed tranny, old /2 switchgear, 14mm axles, etc.). It's a $4500 bike, and not much more.

Yea that is my concern as well though I did like the old serviceable switchgear. I think your price is the correct value.

[Major Softie]

I'm very sorry Chuey, but there is no Toaster BMW.

Absolutely right. Our language regarding vehicle models is entirely controlled and defined by manufacturers. We don't get to create our own language: that would be . . . well, far too democratic.

So, now that we have cleared that up, we know that there is no Toaster BMW, no Flying Brick, no Bugeye Sprite, no Deuce Coupe, no Ford Exploder, no Gixxer, no Ducs, no Ferrari Daytona, no Volkswagon Bug, no Volkswagon Bus, no Pontiac GOAT...

While I have little interest in autos, from your example, I do know that the Goat is name givin' to the GTO which was a different specification than the standard car (Tempest?). Ducs to Ducatis as Beemers are to BMW. Bimmers are not motrocycles BTW. As a matter of fact, as best I can tell without exhaustive research, all of these titles of endearment refer to a specific vehicle, that is distinguished by some mechanical specification, where the fallacious Toaster is distinguished only by tank ornamentation that has somehow, due to ignorance IMNSHO, created a name for something that does not exist. So you are incorrect Softie.... Even created subculture language must actually mean something. The funny thing is, I just post my supposed vexation about this issue to ad color to our forum.

I have learned a few things from life, one thing is: arguments are never what they're about. But I'm not telling anybody to Fuck Off. That would be patently unfriendly.

Nice job of skipping the ones that still measured up to your arbitrary standard.

You do, hopefully, realize that you have established in this post that it is perfectly appropriate that the public give nicknames to vehicle models, but that it is within your personal power to decide within what parameters they are allowed to do so, and you get to decide which nicknames measure up to that arbitrary standard of acceptability, and which do not. That was, of course, the entire point of my post you have quoted here, and my comparison to the Academie.

Toaster does mean something, and even you, who do not accept the term, are being disingenuous to try to claim it does not. You know it does, your argument does not claim that it does not. It is a nickname for a package of a few aesthetic options (a well established standard for giving a model a different name, btw). You are merely claiming that ZM gets to decide the line between acceptable and unacceptable nicknames - those which rise to the level of ZM's acceptance, and those which do not, and ZM has decided that "Toaster" does not meet ZM's standard.

You are 100% entitled to your own standard.

You are also 100% entitled to dictate to the universe how it should behave.

However, your fantasy crumbles once it leaves your lips and you expect that universe to be bound by your wishes. At that point it becomes comically futile.


By the way, I am very confused by your statement that I am "wrong." Since I fully argued in support of your statement, I can only assume that it was wrong to do so....


P.S. Just to be completely open, I do realize that this entire discussion is disingenuous, since you have no standard and no "principle" at stake here, and are merely making up rationalizations up as you go along in an attempt to defend a position defined not by principle, but by recalcitrance.

[Zombie Master]

Softie:

Toaster does mean something, and even you, who do not accept the term, are being disingenuous to try to claim it does not. You know it does, your argument does not claim that it does not. It is a nickname for a package of a few aesthetic options (a well established standard for giving a model a different name, btw). You are merely claiming that ZM gets to decide the line between acceptable and unacceptable nicknames - those which rise to the level of ZM's acceptance, and those which do not, and ZM has decided that "Toaster" does not meet ZM's standard.

At least somebody gets it!

Shall we move on scooters?